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Nautor Brass plaques with boat details |
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Dear Mike, |
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Mike and Matteo Issuing new Plaques for existing yachts unfortunately can not be a routine matter where a simple application from the owner is sufficient. The yard reserves the right to decide in this matter, and reliable authentication of the yacht is necessary, as past experience shows that it can be very tempting to try to ride on the yard's reputation. Here some observations: The oldest S&S Swans do not have Plaques nor Hull Identification Numbers as required these days. Because of this it is not always clear which hull number is in question, and it may be impossible to trace the history far enough back to find reliable information. In some cases there are two yachts reporting the same hull number, one must be wrong, but enough information can not be found to solve the problem. There are a number of Swans without Plaques where it is likely that a past owner has kept them as souvenirs, and the next owner did not know to look for this detail. Plaques have also been stolen. Some Swans are without Plaques because the yard removed them after the insurance declared the yacht a total loss. Such wrecks are frequently repaired without contacting the yard for advice or inspection, and then appear on the market as better than new. When the disaster happened in a remote area it is possible that information about this did not even reach the yard. There are some fake Swan Plaques around, and prospective buyers without sufficient knowledge are easily mislead. For example on Yachtworld.com there is usually a number of other builds advertised as Swans, or as being "virtually identical". Cases of fraud occur now and then - a proud new owner contacts the yard, and is informed that the yacht he bought is not a Swan. Because of this the yard wants to make absolutely sure that the reported type and hull number is in question before providing a new Builder's Plaque. Reliable information about past owners and boat names is required, as well as a physical inspection by a yard representative to confirm that it actually is a Swan. Pictures are not sufficient evidence, as they can be taken anywhere. The yard attempts to keep records of the yachts and owners, but keeping it up to date requires that new owners report themselves. The yard can not possibly know what is going on in the world unless owners take care to send information about changes. It deserves to be mentioned that some brokers take good care to keep the records up to date, as this brings advantages. Best regards Lars |
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H'mmm. All really good points why Nautor has to be careful. I wonder if there is anyway that we could get Nautor to define some criteria whereby they would provide plaques. For example I have the original aluminum plaque which is still legible. I have some of the ownership history and I have 40/28 written on many of the hatch covers in the boat. Of course all of these could be manufactured but if these were combined with pictures and measurements validated by a reputable yard e.g. Walsteads Jamestown or Nautor brokers maybe Nautor would consider??
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Mike The decision maker in this case is anders.byggmastar@nautors-swan.com Lars Have a nice Midsummer! |
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Thanks Lars,
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Interesting thread! Now I start to understand why I keep finding handwritten marks "411/004" all over the boat! Sometimes with pencil, sometimes lightly engraved, behind cabinets, along the hinge thin side of the doors, under the wooden bunk covers, etc. etc. |
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Hi all,
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I'll be very interested in replacing the one on my boat/ |
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On our 41/022 bronze plaque and clock have probably been staying with the first owner, but we can find 41/022 written all over the place, so have no doubt about the serial number of our lady. But we have found a wooden engraved plaque in the port front cupboard: see photo attached. Could anyone tell us what it's about?? Thank you and kind regards to all the family.  |
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Dear Philippe, |
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You are correct Matteo: we imported the boat from Jersey. Thank you for this information. Kind regards. Philippe. |
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I just heard from Anders Byggmästar that the bronze plaques are not available anymore. Christian 411/28 IF |
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