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21 January 2011 - 19:10
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dalonso
Join Date: 06 June 2010
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Swan 411 winches.
Hi to all, I am restoring the Swan 411/39. Please, could somebody tell me which were the winches that this model mounted originally and what ones do you reccomend.

Thank you!!. and fair winds!.David.
21 January 2011 - 23:15
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danielefua
Join Date: 30 January 2007
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Regarding the original setup, please browse the page on this site regarding the Swan by S&S, 411, documents, deck plan.
There are 6+6=12 winches positioned in a symmetrical way on the deck, plus a winch on the mast. If you are interested I can write the exact sizes of all of them but you may have to wait till next time I go to see the boat.
Regarding the utility to keep them all, it is a matter of personal taste. To date my idea was to maintain the original setup although I reckon that their number is surely larger than needed according to modern sail maneuvering. A wise use of sheet stoppers might reduce considerably the number of the winches together with their associated weight and encumbrance.

Daniel, 411/004

22 January 2011 - 00:26
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CLA7003
Join Date: 16 May 2009
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Corazon, 411 #41, had her winches reduced to (6), plus the winch on the mast....I feel as though she has enough to cover sailing requirements at the present rate. To me, the real gain is not so much weight reduction, but reducing the deck clutter and things to trip over.

Best of luck, Geoff
Corazon, 411 #41
22 January 2011 - 12:46
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rikys
Join Date: 31 January 2007
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winches 411,lewmar

2x58

2x48 three speed

2x44 three speed

2x43

6x40
22 January 2011 - 17:06
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dalonso
Join Date: 06 June 2010
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Thanks a lot for your replies. When I bought my Swan 411/39 she had only one winch installed and the holes on the deck of the others (I count a total of 14 including the one on the mast). To buy now 13 winches is a major expense that perhaps may not be justified today when comparing with modern sailboats. That is my doubt.

Thank you Rikys for your detailel answer. I understand you are alwais referring to non self tayling winches?.

Fair winds!
22 January 2011 - 18:07
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danielefua
Join Date: 30 January 2007
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Indeed I forgot the main sheet winch... i.e. 12+2=14.
The two large for the genoa sheets are ST and so is the one for the main sheet. Lately I transformed the one on the mast into ST.
Very convenient for short handing the boat.

Daniel, 411/004.
23 January 2011 - 00:00
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rikys
Join Date: 31 January 2007
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winches 411,lewmar

2x58

2x48 three speed

2x44 three speed

2x43

6x40

2x58 st to genoa and 2x40 st to main.
23 January 2011 - 13:25
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marvin
Join Date: 21 September 2010
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David
I am curious, why were all the winches (bar one) removed from 411/039 by the previous owner? Was the boat complete in ever other way?
Best regards
David
(Baron 411/033)
23 January 2011 - 16:14
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dalonso
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23 January 2011 - 16:17
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dalonso
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Before I acquired the sailboat all winches had been stolen except one. I imagine the thief's tools were not good enough.. David.
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