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S&S Swan General - Ground tackle, Swan 41,411 |
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Join Date: 02 March 2007
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Ground tackle, Swan 41,411 Dear all, I would be interested to know what ground tackle members are fitting to these boats for extended cruising to areas where anchoring becomes much more important. The problem with these boats is that they have very fine bows, and it is easy to end up bow heavy. I don't think Nautor considered anchoring very seriously as there was no provision in the original design for a bow mounted anchor, winch, and chain pipe. I have 35m of 10mm chain with 20m of warp. The main anchor is a 15kgm Bruce copy mounted on the bow roller. The winch is an old manual Goiot. The chain is all stored forward of the front bulkhead. There is an additional CQR anchor (15kgm) stowed on the deck just forward of the mast. I assume this was the original anchor supplied by Nautor. I don't consider 35m of chain adequate. I would like 60m, and a 20kgm anchor (at least). However I am already too much bow down, and if I add all this extra weight right forward this will be worse. One option is to store the chain further aft, however it will then need to be fed out through the forehatch when required, with inevitable damage to the teak hatch trim. I always like to have an anchor ready for immediate use. I think the best solution is to have a limited length of chain forward, and a further length in the bilges aft of the mast step (or even under the floor of the passage way to the aft compartment , what I call the dog kennel). This will need to be joined to the main length when it is required. What solutions have you long distance cuisers devised? Cosmo Little (Trinket, 41/31)
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Join Date: 01 July 2010
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Hi Cosmo,
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Join Date: 31 January 2007
Posts: 30 |
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Hi Cosmo, I have a Swan 411 and carry a 45lb CQR plus a Fortress aluminium anchor, which I use as stern anchor. In addition I have an old Danforth, which came with the boat and which I have never used. The CQR has 60m of 10mm cable and a further 40m of multiplait. I have a Lofrans Progress II electric anchor winch. The anchor cable goes direct down into the chain locker. The anchor cable has to be carefully laid as it comes up otherwise it forms a mountain and collapses when heeled, which causes a tangle when heeled. I have fashioned a wooden plug to block off the hawse pipe when on longer passages. I suspect that any racing sailor would object to the weight up front and the pitching which that must cause, but I don't race and prefer the convenience. Cheers Anthony |
Join Date: 10 December 2010
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Hello Cosmo,
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Join Date: 01 February 2007
Posts: 234 |
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Hi Cosmo. On my 411 I have as Bower 45 Lb CQR attached to 50m of 10mm calibrated chain spliced to 50m multiplait. Lewmar V3 windlass with additonal chainstopper on deck. I also use a chain snuber when anchored. My spare is a Fortress with 10m of 10mm chain and 50m of 35mm flat "Ankorline" on a reel. I am currently looking for a Rock Anchor. I tried this winter a 25Kg Rocna, but I would have had to make a lot of changes to the stemhead roller etc to get it to work. They are very large for the weight. I might try fitting a 20Kg later. Very good anchors!!! |
Join Date: 02 March 2007
Posts: 83 |
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Thanks for the replies, everyone. Last weekend I made a plywood template of a 20kgm rocna anchor from their clever downloadable paper pattern, and discovered it definitely will not fit. The problem is the centre support for the pulpit. I then borrowed a 20kgm claw type ( bruce copy) and this looked good, in fact I am now trying to find a 25kgm claw . I will be ordering a 60m length of 10mm chain (galvanised) . The installation of an electric anchor windlass I am still considering as it is a lot of work, with all the cables, relays, and switches that it would need. I have never been happy with the so called waterproof deck switches that are foot operated. Everone I have talked to seems to have had trouble with these. PS every anchor seems to be made in China these days, even the rocna! Cosmo Little |
Join Date: 01 July 2010
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Hi Cosmo,
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Join Date: 02 June 2007
Posts: 43 |
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Hello; I don't agree that the entire anchor line needs to be chain. The purpose of the chain is: 1) to cause the anchor to lay properly and bight into the bottom by controlling the shape of the catenary, and 2) to resist abrasion of the line. On my Swan 41, I have a 35 lb Bruce anchor connected to 25m of 5/16" galv HS stud link chain and 100m of 1" nylon braid. It is connected to the foward buckhead by means of a pad-eye (which is only there to prevent loss). I also have a Lowrance electric 1000W windlass. This configuration works very well in a variety of conditions and does not over-weight the bow. |
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